Why start a virtual university?

Dr . Jordon Peterson suggests that it is time to start a Virtual University. With technology available, universities losing their mission, and a desire to create low-cost, accessible information, this is a significant challenge for large scale universities. When leading academics are abandoning the institution for greener pastures, it raises interesting existential questions for universities. (Transcript is below)

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8mb9Ytx7Aw

the self-proclaimed professor against
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political correctness is now making more
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than 50 thousand dollars per month
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through online donors and he’s got big
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plans for the future professor Jordan B
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Peterson made national headlines last
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fall for refusing to use genderless
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pronouns even appearing on this show and
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I’ve been thinking about this political
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correctness issue for a long time and
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it’s been bothering me his viewpoint
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caused controversy but also gained him
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supporters who flocked to his YouTube
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channel helping him rack up millions of
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views for his online lectures now to
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subsidize his production costs he’s
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turned to the crowdfunding site patreon
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a number of people have been attempting
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to take me to task for the fact that my
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patreon support has been let’s call it
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overwhelmingly successful aiming to
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build on his online success Peterson is
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setting his sights on an even bigger
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goal I want to move genuine humanities
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education out of the universities where
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it isn’t being taught anyways as far as
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I can tell online where people can
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access it freely
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Jordan Peterson joins me now in studio
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good to see you again thanks for being
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here
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well I start an online University well
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because the technology is ready for it
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that’s the that’s the most important
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issue there’s absolutely no reason why
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high quality education can’t be made
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available to masses of people at low
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cost so and since that’s possible
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there’s absolutely no reason not to do
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it I mean you just say low cost you’re
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saying that students would wat only pay
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for their examinations
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well that was we’re not sure exactly how
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it would how it would run but the one
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possibility would be a monthly
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subscription that would help pay for the
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content but the primary source of
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revenue would be for on the
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accreditation and on the examination end
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for sure so how would this work for
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students what would they see what would
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they learn well we would probably start
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with a list of the hundreds hundreds
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greatest books of Western civilization I
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think we’d started as a great books
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program and we’re thinking about making
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a timeline imagine a timeline that
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stretches say from 3,000 BC up to the
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present time that you could zoom in on
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and imagine lectures that
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be available at different levels of
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resolution so for example you might have
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a lecture about the 2000 to 1000 BC and
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the major the major occurrences during
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that period that you could zoom in and
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get specialty lectures where the
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historical knowledge was detailed enough
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to provide information at that level of
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resolution and then the content I don’t
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know yet
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I think getting the underlying technical
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structure right at the moment is more
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important than the content because I
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think content would generate itself if
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the incentive systems were set up
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properly why do you think this would
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work more effectively than traditional
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university format because the
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traditional universities have abandoned
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the humanities they become almost
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entirely corrupt as far as I can tell
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but you are a tenured university
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professor at the University of Toronto
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yes so how do you reconcile those two
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well the university disciplines that
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still have some grounding in science
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seem to be I would say still intact but
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the humanities we know for example that
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in the United States the ratio of
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Democrats to Republicans in the
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humanities is about 30 to 1 he’s taken
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an unbelievable leftward tilt and about
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80 percent of humanities papers are
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never cite at once and the humanities
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have been dominated by a kind of
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postmodern Neel Marxist what would you
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call it cult ideologies since the 1990s
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probably starting in the 1960s and so
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they’ve abandoned their mission to
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students their mission should be to
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teach students to speak to think and to
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read and to become familiar with the
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best of the world fundamentally so that
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they can hone their cognitive skills and
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operate effectively in the world and I
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don’t believe they’re doing that at all
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I think it’s a scam pretty much from top
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to bottom and it’s a very expensive scam
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so it’s too top-heavy it’s gonna topple
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so would you continue to work at the
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University of Turin sure if you started
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at this this online university platform
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yes definitely what’s been the reaction
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from your colleagues Oh minimal I mean
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the reaction from the university to to
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the political turmoil that I was
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embroiled in was first negative and then
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I would say neutral and now things seem
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to be just fine my colleagues haven’t
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really said anything either about the
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political turmoil about this plan so but
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I don’t think that the plan
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the change I don’t think will come from
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within the universities anyways because
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generally speaking when there’s a new
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technology introduced it isn’t the old
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systems that adopt it they’re not
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capable of operating in the new tech
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technological world because it requires
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a new approach and you might say asked
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well why do I have the expertise to do
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that and perhaps I don’t but I have
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worked on software development for 25
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years and I have some good partners and
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a lot of people who are interested in
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helping me with this it seems like a lot
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of people you know $50,000 a month
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there’s a lot of money by that I’m
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staggered daily by that of course it’s
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absolutely overwhelming and that money
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goes to well it goes to right at the
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moment one of the things that’s helped
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funding is I’m doing a series on the
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psychological significance of the
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biblical stories and I used that money
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to rent the Isabel Bader theatre upfront
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for 12 weeks and to hire a film crew and
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it goes in part to help me cover the
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costs of the videos that I keep making
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and it also well that’s fundamentally
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what it’s doing at the moment when do
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you expect this to be up and running
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that’s a very good question
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I mean we’re going to start with a
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website in the next month and a half
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that will be designed to help students
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and their parents identify postmodern
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content in courses so that they can
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avoid them so I’ve been working with a
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specialist in artificial intelligence
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who’s written a script to to
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discriminate between postmodern
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neo-marxist course content and classical
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content in the sciences and humanities
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and so we’ll have a consumer information
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website up in a month and I’m hoping
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that over about a five year period a
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concerted effort could be made to knock
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the enrollment down in postmodern new
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Marxist cult classes by 75% across the
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West so our plan initially is to cut off
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the supply to the people who are running
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the indoctrination cults watching Jordan
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Peterson thanks for being here this
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morning
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all right pleasure here’s a question
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well I post here’s the question let’s
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let’s have a real question can men and
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women work together in the workplace yes
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I how do you do it
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how do you know because I work with I’ve
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worked a lot of for me right well it’s
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been happening for what 40 years and and
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things are deteriorating very rapidly at
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the moment in terms of the relationships
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between men and women it’s like we don’t
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know if men and women can work together
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forty years ago I would
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I don’t know if I was a white man I
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would be Jacqueline’s boss and I could
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have done whatever I wanted
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right and that there would be almost no
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recourse that the that a woman who’s
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working under me would have now they
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have some recourse I mean it’s a is that
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it was recourse back then too you could
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take people to the police you think that
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was happening a lot I mean like it’s a
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dreadful thing to have to go to the
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police I guess I’m essentially assaulted
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if you feel like like there’s a
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reduction in harm right that don’t
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things are better so you feel like right
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now the atmosphere in corporate
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workplace is the exact same that it was
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40 years ago
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no but I’m not sure I’m not saying that
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it’s any better it’s not any better well
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maybe it is yes yeah not to ask you just
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sort of prove a negative but what I
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think that there is plenty of evidence
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if you look at all the stories that are
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coming out you do not feel like any of
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the stories that you’ve heard about what
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Hollywood is like do you feel like
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that’s not evidence that this is a
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problem evidence that Hollywood is a
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problem yeah yeah but when I look at
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Hollywood all these people coming out of
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Hollywood talking about how sexual
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misbehavior is a problem and I think
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people in Hollywood are talking about
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that they’ve been capitalizing on sexual
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misbehavior for like a hundred years but
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that I mean look those are unrelated and
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all the professor should know like about
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correlation and causation like you’re
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you’re basically saying well you know
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there have been movies with sex in it
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therefore a PA on the set of a movie of
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course should be expected to be sexually
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harassed
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no I’m saying those two are those two
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our separate worlds in any sort of pure
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logical sense like your that that is
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just a classic mix-up of correlation why
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are they separate worlds we don’t know
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how to draw the boundaries because well
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here’s well here’s the question we could
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like any movie that has like if you talk
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about sex in your in your classroom or
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if you talk about sexual behavior in
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your classroom and another classroom
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does not talk about sexual behavior at
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all you feel like your classroom would
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have a higher chance or a higher
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incidence rate of sexual assault or hell
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but I would say that if I if I if I was
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part of an organization that built
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entire dozens of careers on sexual
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provocative Ness I would be very careful
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about like waiving the ethical flag in
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the sexual wars so you don’t think
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Hollywood doesn’t exploit sex hasn’t the
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femme
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been saying that for 30 years the entire
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entertainment industry does nothing but
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exploit women sexually is that true or
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not and if it is true then aren’t they
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contributing to the problem and if
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they’re contributing to the problem
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where is all the ethical that you’re
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you’re arguing at that point that
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Hollywood is one sort of Titanic idea
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that it is one sort of that a woman who
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works in entertainment must then like
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pledge allegiance to this idea of a sort
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of totemic Hollywood and not come out
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and give her story like they’re saying
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right like if that said she’s like
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somehow complicit in all of it with the
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degree to which we’re all complicit in
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what’s going on is unspecified I said
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already you know we don’t know how to
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have an adult conversation about sex
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it’s not surprising it’s not the least
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bit surprising so like so then what is
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it then like cos your that it’s this
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seems to be like the sort of
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collectivist thinking that you rail
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against you know you’re saying that
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Hollywood is one thing and that
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Hollywood made its own bed and therefore
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Hollywood should not speak about this
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issue because they’re the ones that were
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putting this agenda no it isn’t that
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they shouldn’t speak about it or that
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they should be neither clear about it
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forty two they should speak carefully
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about it do you feel like they’re not
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feeding carefully absolutely they’re not
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speaking carefully no not in the least
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what what is out of control about it
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well trial by public opinion I suppose
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is part of what’s out of control about
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it
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trial by public opinion do you think
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that’s what’s happening yeah to some
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degree sure it’s very easy for people to
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come forward with accusations and
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demolish someone’s reputation that’s
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trial by public opinion so we don’t have
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it we don’t have any conversation about
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the other side of the of the coin you
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don’t think women manipulate men
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sexually for advancement in the
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workplace do you not do you not think
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that there has been any sort of pushback
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against against us me to movement at all
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yeah there’s been some okay so then then
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what do you mean we don’t have
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conversations about the other side it
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seems like every time I read any sort of
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publication it’s split more or less
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50/50 and actually increasingly more
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towards like maybe this thing is out of
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control it seems like that narrative
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certainly out there yeah true it is it
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has started to emerge in the last couple
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of weeks that’s true yeah so then I
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don’t understand I guess I don’t
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understand the question
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exactly well my question is essentially
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that like when is there sexual
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harassment in the workplace yes
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should it stop that’d be good if it did
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that’d be good
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will it well not at the moment it won’t
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because we don’t know what the rules are
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do you think men and women can work in
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the workplace together I don’t know
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without sexual harassment
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we’ll see well how many years will it
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take for men and women working in a
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workplace together more than four in a
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sense more than 40 mm-hmm we’re new at
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this we’re new at this
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absolutely we’re completely new at it
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it’s only been a couple of generations
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that’s part of the problem right is that
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we don’t know what the rules are like
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what here’s a rule how about no makeup
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in the workplace why would that came
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from why should you wear makeup in the
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workplace wasn’t that sexually
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provocative no it’s not no what is it
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then what’s the purpose of makeup but
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some people would like to just put on
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makeup why I don’t know why why do you
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make your lips red because they turn red
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during sexual arousal
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that’s why why do you put Rouge on your
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cheeks same reason so your argument I’m
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not saying that you shouldn’t wear
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makeup oh no I’m not saying that but
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you’re saying that that I’m saying we
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didn’t want to put on our makeup in the
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workplace that they have sexualized
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themselves in a way that’s what makeup
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sport would that’s self-evident that why
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else would you wear it though let me
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mean when women put on makeup in the
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workplace when they make their lips red
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when they sort of put on Rouge right
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that when they enter that workplace if
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the man notices that that there is sort
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of a elicit ‘no switch the woman has
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said I am going to sexualize myself in
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the workplace and therefore whatever
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comes will come no I didn’t say the last
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part of that so I didn’t say so whatever
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comes will come but I think the issue of
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complicit how about high heels
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how about high heels what are they about
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how you what about them
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they’re there to exaggerate sexual
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attractiveness that’s what high heels do
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they tilt your they tilt your pelvis
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forward so your hip stick oh that’s what
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they do and they tighten up your calf
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muscles there are sexual display now I’m
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not saying that people shouldn’t use
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sexual displays in the workplace I’m not
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saying that but I am
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saying that that is what they’re doing
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and that is what they’re doing so what
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is it relevant then to like sexual
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harassment in the workplace then if you
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can’t make well the Mau is put everybody
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in uniforms to stop that sort of thing
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from happening
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men wear uniforms that’s a weird way
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they wear suits I guess I’m not seeing
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this sort of coherence of the the
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thought that you’re putting together
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then because what are the rules that
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govern sexual interactions between men
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and women in the workplace yes the
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answer is we don’t know right so I’m
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throwing out some questions how about
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makeup oh that’s okay
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is it why why is it okay well I would
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think that there’s certain ownership
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over one’s body that they can take
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without how about negligence well going
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too far if you had a workplace with
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negligees I think that there would be
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some sort of standard idea that maybe
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that would be a sexualized okay so
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there’s some line between lipstick and
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negligees but yeah one across ok thrown
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up where exactly is the line well I
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think that you know much like Justice
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Scalia said pornography is something
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that you can feel or that you know it
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when when you see it I would say that
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that me that sort of it you know what
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using to me you know and I really do
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just mean this in sort of a debate sense
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which is that like like these are the
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big collective ideas there are things
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that you feel like are sort of derived
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through through evolution that that
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people do come to a consensus that is
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meaningful I don’t think that anyone
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would say that wearing makeup to the
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office is in some ways like sexually
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deviant or something like that or that
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it’s inviting a serve atmosphere or
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sexuality within the world I would say
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that you second part sure it’s exactly
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what it’s doing okay why else would you
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wear lipstick complete the path for me
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man that’s the part that I like for you
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to do I complete the thought woman I’m
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not saying that women shouldn’t do it
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and I’m also not saying that it should
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be banned but I’m saying that you’re
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absolutely not even if you don’t think
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that has anything to do with sexuality
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or sexual harassment does it have
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something to do with sexual harassment
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in the workplace I don’t know because I
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don’t know what the rules should be to
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govern the interactions between men and
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women in the work should people be
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allowed to flirt in the workplace do you
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know that let’s just yes or no question
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do you feel like women wearing makeup in
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the workplace contributes to sexual
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harassment in the workplace sure it
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contributes and so what should be done
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about that
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you as a clinician who believes that
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there should be prescriptive ideas that
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don’t mandate behavior but that will
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guide behavior I don’t know I don’t know
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what the answer to that is do you feel
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like we’re mentioned where if you feel
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like a serious woman who does not want
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sexual harassment in the workplace do
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you feel like if she wears makeup in the
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workplace that she is somewhat critical
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yeah okay I do think that okay let’s
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move up I don’t see how you could not
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think that it’s like makeup is sexual
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display that’s what it’s for say well I
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want to look more attractive like what
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do you mean by attractive exactly so
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then what is the better outcome for you
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then a workplace with no sexual
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harassment where women wear uniforms and
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don’t wear makeup
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much like the bow it’s like you were
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saying or a sort of queer workplace in
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which sexual harassment is an
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inevitability because women wear high
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heels and makeup well I don’t say that
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sexual harassment is inevitability
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because women wear high heels make up I
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didn’t say that or that it is more
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likely I said that it it contributes to
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the sexual ization of the workplace
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what’s the difference between more
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likely in that okay more likely I’ll go
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with that yeah more likely right okay
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okay so which one do you prefer I don’t
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prefer either of them Oh which one of
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those two would I prefer yeah oh I
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prefer the one where people have the
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freedom and so within that what so we’ve
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gotten to that point that people should
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have freedom to wear makeup right but
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that that will inevitably lead to not
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inevitably that it is more likely that
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sexual harassment happens in the
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workplace isn’t that sort of saying that
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if women wear like I was that not saying
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that if women wear makeup in the in the
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I don’t know what I said like you you’re
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pushing it past what I said by a
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substantial margin I said that we don’t
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understand it really
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but govern though that interactions and
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in between men and women in the
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workplace right we don’t understand the
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rules and so I was pushing a limit case
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that’s what I was doing I wasn’t saying
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women shouldn’t wear makeup no I would
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say there should be a question raised
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about that and there is often I mean
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companies have dress codes let’s say you
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know and they never reason for that but
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but the fact that we got tangled up in
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this conversation is an indication of
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exactly how difficult it is to have a
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reasonable reasonable conversation about
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exactly what rules should govern the
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interactions between men and women or I
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would objected that a little bit because
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I think the reason why this conversation
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has been difficult is because like there
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are certain things where you’ll just
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punt and you’ll say I’m not saying that
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and you’ll try and be very hyper
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specific and now look there are examples
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of that where I feel like you were right
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like I feel like the Kathy Newman
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article or the Kathy Newman interview I
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felt like a lot of what you’re what that
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she put words in your mouth I don’t feel
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like I’m doing that in fact I’ve been
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extremely careful not and I’m definitely
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not accusing you okay I’m just saying
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that these sorts of conversations are
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difficult not that you’re making it up
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Dulli difficult okay I don’t think you
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are sure so I I guess look this is a
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this is a test case right like we’re not
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here to say like Jordan Peterson
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believes that this is true we were
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talking about a specific test case like
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we agree you arguing that that makeup of
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sexualized high heels are sexualized
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right when they enter a workplace the
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workplace has a higher preponderance of
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becoming sexualized yes how is that how
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do we not then take the next step and
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say that ergo if we want to get rid of
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sexual harassment in the workplace that
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your belief is that women should not
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wear high heels or makeup in the work
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well because there’s other potential
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solutions people could well be you could
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allow for a certain amount of sexual
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attention and not act on it in a
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reprehensible manner I mean look it
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let’s say you’re married to someone
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right partner okay
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you go to a party do you ever flirt I
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mean I don’t go to parties oh okay
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do you ever flirt at all but do you know
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how that is well look look
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one of the things that’s enjoyable about
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the interactions between men and women
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even if you’re married is an element of
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flirtatiousness that can underscore the
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interaction okay you don’t want to get
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rid of that it’s too tyrannical to get
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rid of that but you’re playing with fire
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you have to know that you’re playing
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with fire and so there’s gonna be some
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sexual provocative nests in the
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workplace let’s say both ways
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with fire and you need to know what the
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rules are we don’t know what the rules
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are okay how about what if I said it is
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okay to flirt with your coworker from
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time to time you know don’t don’t grab
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them in the private well that seems you
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know I think we could agree that that
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might be a reasonable start right but
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then of course you still have the
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problem with exactly what constitutes
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acceptable flirting do you feel like the
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majority of people then who are sort of
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in this mitri movement right now who have been speaking out yeah do you really think all of them are not a large saying that you can’t flirt at all you know or do you think most of them are saying you just don’t grab me in the privates because I would I just ask somebody who also has read about this who study yeah quite a bit he was followed it very intensely it really does seem like the messages like hey like you know don’t pull your robe off don’t grab me no I think it’s worse than that you do yeah well look at what happened with NBC now you’re supposed to report your coworkers if you suspect them of romantic entanglements that’s been true about American and I mean yours that is one symptom but this is a policy now it is one one company about citywide yeah it’s a it’s a response to it but it’s a bad response you said like is it only about not being grabbed it’s like no it’s not only about that if it was only about not being grabbed would you be okay with him well I’m not in favor of people being involuntarily grabbed
I’m not in favor of sexual harassment or sexual assault and not in the least I don’t I think I already told you what I think I’m a sexual conservative sure I don’t think people should have sex on the first date I think they should be very careful with sex right so I’m not in the camp of let’s grab each other under the mistletoe at the Christmas party because what the hell I’m not in that camp
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